Saturday, 14 April 2012

"Swivel-eyed rhetoric"? More Tory attacks on UKIP

From The Telegraph I learn:
Greg Barker, energy minister and chairman of the influential 2020 group of modernising Conservative MPs, also insisted that the changes which started under David Cameron will continue. “It is a one way street,” he said.
A one way street to oblivion, let us hope. It's very clear that the Conservatives are at least as bad as Labour in government. They have continued the puritanical authoritarianism. They have continued the hand-over of power to Brussels. They have continued the Blairites' war-mongering and blood-spilling, most notably in Libya (I wonder how things are going over there? We don't hear too much about the place these days). They are continuing the aggrandisement of state power over our privacy. In summary; same old shit, with slightly plumbier accents.

Fuck the Tories. UKIP are far from perfect, that much is true. They're wrong on some things, but at least they're right on some other things, which gives them a unique selling point when compared to the indivisibly and atrociously cuntish three main parties.


cuffleyburgers said...

TT - yes in many ways they are a continuity labour party and in all the areas you list. However it is undeniable that had we continued with Brown and Labour it would have been worse, the tories are trying manfully to improve education and welfare provision and are up against the entire civil service - a sign of the effectiveness of their work is that they boast about it very little. Gove and IDS are unquestionably the "stars" of this government. Health care - Lansley is obviously a dickhead, but there can be no doubt that reform of the HNS is necessary and is bound to be montrously unpopular, and so whether their reforms are the right ones or not it is probably in bakance good that they are trying as they are most likely preparing the ground for better refroms in future.

cuffleyburgers said...

By the way I am not particularly a tory sympathiser, I am trying to be objective...

Anonymous said...

I have no qualms about going UKIP.
The choice between LibLabCon is no choice ,they are all the same front.
Wasteful,authoritarian and counter productive.


Trooper Thompson said...


I do have some time for IDS, but in the balance the few things which are positive are vastly outweighed by the negatives. Brown's government was dysfunctional but it could be argued that a dysfunctional government which can't get much done is better than a functional one that does so much shit, and if the Tories had not got into power this time, they may well have totally imploded which could have been for the long-term best.

Trooper Thompson said...

As for them preparing the way for better reforms in the future, I don't believe it. I don't actually think they've got much of a clue as to what they think should be done.

cuffleyburgers said...

Brown's government wasn't so dysfunctional that it couldn't do massive damage, ny view is simply that cameron's lot miserable as they are will likely do a little less. I don't agree that "the worse it is the better it is".

It is axiomatic that all the main parties are big state authoritarians and how to get from here to a (highly unlikely but that is no reason not to argue for it) freer future will be easier to see the less we are groaning under a brownite yoke.

I think TT, we agree on a lot of things, and our ideal society would likely be very similar.

There is so much wrong with how government on all its multifarious levels is run and my frustrations with people's refusal to get excited by it is immense. And don't get me started on the failngs of the MSM.

But there is no harm in acknowledging that is a couple of important areas steps are being taken in the right direction.

Trooper Thompson said...


I'm not saying that I think 'the worse it is, the better it is', rather that an ineffectual government does less harm, in the same way that gridlock between the Senate, HoR and President in America is good because nothing gets passed. The second point is that which Peter Hitchens often has made, that if the Tories had failed to get into government, then they may have collapsed, which I see as a good thing.

In any case, that is by the by. Right now we're lumbered with this government, which is continuing all the policies I hated the last one for. If I happen across the government doing the right thing, I will praise it, but the monstrosities are coming thick and fast, I haven't time in the day to pick up on, I must rely on others to alert the public.

James Higham said...

It's actually a very good sign - they're getting worried.

Anonymous said...

Dear Trooper Thompson

Re UKIP - change 'they' to 'we'.

UKIP are small enough that you can make a difference.

No matter how little you do in UKIP it will be far, far better than not voting.

As Burke said: No man made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could only do a little".

Come and join us.


Trooper Thompson said...


it may happen. It's under consideration.