Monday, 31 May 2010

Smoke and mirrors, indeed

Hat tip: Infowars. Music RJD2


bob k. mando said...
"The site parades itself as "progressive" but is, in fact, pro-corporate and anti-socialist and anti-progressive."

Madsen comes from a communist family and would seem to be pro-Marxist. i would take anything he says with a grain of salt.

for instance, can you provide any other sourcing for these claims that the torpedo parts came from Germany?

Trooper Thompson said...

Well, we have to take almost everything with a pinch of salt, when it comes to covert ops, international espionage and such like. As the Washington Post article below shows, there are a many people in the Far East asking questions about this incident.

Trooper Thompson said...

This is also interesting:

bob k. mando said...

This is also interesting:

and yet, absurd.

the bow and stern of the Cheonan supposedly came to rest 6+ clicks apart from each other.

there is a search effort less than 2 clicks from one of the major sites, AT A POINT BETWEEN THE MAJOR SITES, and yet this secondary search is categorically asserted to be "unrelated" to the Cheonan. and "therefore" MUST be a US sub?

the explanation given as to WHY the purported US sub is supposed to have gone down is very strange. military maneuvers typically involve "Red" and "Blue" forces as the nominal combatants. live fire by ANY unit involved in the maneuvers, without first taking live fire themselves, would be extremely bizarre. the idea that the US sub is supposed to have returned live fire to a known friendly is ludicrous.

further, a dual sinking via friendly fire would indicate that this was not 'planned'.

further the Cheonan, as an ASW vessel, is granted supposedly perfect defences and sensing against submersibles. ASW vessels get sunk all the time in combat. the also regularly lose track of subs. that is the whole point of a sub, you know?

nor is there ANY commentary disputing the sourcing of the torpedo parts as NK.

i have no problem with the asking of questions. i do have a problem with unsupported assertions. and Wayne's assertion that the torpedo is German make is a VERY serious charge.

question: why would a US sub be firing German made/design torps?

i should think it WELL within the capabilities of both the US and Germany to be able to manufacture replica NK type weapons if they wanted to run false flags.

there's no reason to introduce overtly German manufacture onto a US boat at all. unless you're trying to have your op outed publicly...

Trooper Thompson said...

Regarding the German angle, I guess Madsen may be going off this Reuters report:

"The metallic debris and chemical residue appear to be consistent with a type of torpedo made in Germany, indicating the North may have been trying to disguise its involvement by avoiding arms made by allies China and Russia, Yonhap quoted the [South Korean] official as saying."

As for the US sub, that article is the first I've heard mention of it. It may be nonsense, whatever the case, it's far from clear what exactly happened. If anyone knows, they ain't telling.

In terms of Madsen's view of the overall politics, he brings up some important points, such as China's attitude, and the ramifications to Japan's government, which was moving towards closing down the US presence in Okinawa.